A Peace Advocate's Tale of 23 Hours in detainment
by Ben O'Dell
Friday, Mar. 21, 2003 at 10:52 PM
bdo2@pitt.edu 412-648-3437
On Thursday March 20th, at approximately 7:30 PM, I was arrested for the charges of...
On Thursday March 20th, at approximately 7:30 PM, I was arrested for charges of �Failure to Disperse� and �Obstruction of Public Passages� on the 700th block of William Penn Palace. Feeling the need to exercise my civic right to protest against a war I do not believe in, I met with various groups at the Federal Building downtown at 5 PM. A large Police presence was already visible, including surveillance techniques by undercover and uniformed officers including A) Polaroid Pictures and B) 8mm and standard VHS video.
The snake-march throughout downtown began at 5:30. Upon initially taking the streets, no message about the march being un-permitted or in violation of the war was presented by the Pittsburgh Police Force. This was despite an overwhelming presence in and around the Federal Building. Given the peaceful, respectful stance taken by officers at recent events (mostly held in University of Pittsburgh jurisdiction), many in the crowd felt that the Police where there to do their job: Serve and Protect. Oh, how we were wrong.
For the first 2 hours of the march things were going remarkably well. Downtown, Mellon Arena, and Veterans Bridge had all been sites of our efforts. Around 7 PM, the protest made its way past Station Square and up a narrow, unoccupied street near the South Side. At this point, a police blockade was instituted. Far removed from the TV cameras of KDKA and Action News 4, officers began moving protestors to the sidewalk. At this time, several bicycle cops (including one female officer in particular), had begun to take it upon themselves to ride by protestors shoving them off to the side.
This caused confusion amongst the march. Stalled on the sidewalk, the group split up into three separate directions. Unsure of where to go, and attempting to get out of the industrial wasteland we were currently located in, I began marching with a small faction of about 500 demonstrators back towards the downtown area. Upon crossing the Fort Pitt Bridge, several arrests were made for individuals who were riding bicycles in the street (I suppose it would be preferred that they were ridden on the sidewalk?).
At this point, all order in the Protest seemed to have been lost. Groups were being driven on instinct. The fact that it was very dark outside didn't help. It only worked to cover up the violent attitudes many Cops were adopting. For future reference, I feel that we should work to organize a general gameplan for these snake marches as well as work to keep them in daylight and for the most part on main streets. Under the current lack of planning/communication, the crowd I was surrounded by ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Facing a tense situation with aggressive police officers yelling at the crowd to move along or go to jail, we proceeded across the bridge. At the other end we found a slew of Police Cruisers, dogs, and Officers in riot gear. We began marching down one of the main streets downtown (perhaps Liberty or 5th Avenue?) under heavy and growing police supervision. Our numbers were dwindling at this point and there was a struggle to stick together in the crowd. Several, highly visible undercover cops (such as a 40 year old Italian man in a black leather jacket and blue jeans�.let me know if you saw/have pictures of him) made attempts to confuse the group and cause a traffic jam. It worked, as from there we made an error in our turn and took a left by the federal building.
Blockaded Straight ahead and unable to turn around, orders came from the Police to disperse. Given no place to move, protestors stood in awe. Within 30 seconds, orders were given to move to the sidewalk or be arrested. Finally, with all protestors standing on the sidewalk, many (including myself) with their hands raised in peaceful submission, we were attacked.
Let it be known that while this scene had unfolded, there was never a formal statement from a head arresting officer (Sgt. Kacsuta, as the court summons appears to read). Rather, orders came in confused yells from several over-zealous Police officers. Police dogs were present, and officers were decked out in full riot gear complete with large wooden night-sticks (for protestors who carried no weapons or means of attack). Several officers banged their shields and sticks together to create noise, confusion and intimidate the protestors. One officer inciting violence may have been in charge of the situation. He was not in riot gear, but rather regular police fatigues. He was approximately 6� 5� and a black male in his late 30s with a graying moustache. The officer ran up to someone innocently standing right in front of me and pushed them in hopes to incite violence, yelling that we would all soon go to jail. After making an attempt to disperse and leave the scene, the officer told me to �Get the fuck back against the wall before I make you�.
Soon thereafter commotion took place up the street as a group of officers wrestled one protestor out of the crowd, attacking with mace, their shields and night sticks for no clear reason. The crowd stood trapped and paralyzed in fear. Another officer, whos badge I thought I saw read �Wilkens� took someone down right in front of me. If anyone knows anything about Officer Wilkens or has photos of him in action, please bring them forward. The individual in front of me was treated extremely violently for no clear reason other than the fact that they were at the front of the pack.
Knowing that I was surrounded and attempting to end the violence, I turned around and placed my hands on the brick wall behind us. By urging others to do the same, I feel I prevented a lot of further violence from taking place. Next, I was approached by a Police Officer who failed to: A) read me my Miranda Rights, B) inform me of what I was being arrested for (after attempting to disperse and obeying orders of standing on the sidewalk). Of the 120+ who were arrested, many included innocent by-standers such as news media, independent media, street medics, ect.
Thankfully, despite his flaws, the officer who placed my hands in plastic binders was kind enough to not cut off circulation and allow me to stick together with the friend I was traveling with. Whoever you may be, this officer deserves respect for handling the situation in a calm and respectful fashion despite of being surrounded by the arrogant, aggressive, and destructive tactics of his fellow co-workers. As far as actually placing my hands in binders, the officer was only acting under the inappropriate orders of higher ups (whom I assume to be Sgt. Kacsuta.
From being placed in binders, I was led with my friend aboard a commandeered PAT Transit Bus. While on there, we met several other protestors. Some one board had wounds as a result of Police Actions including: A) Bruises, Cuts and Abrasions as well as B) binders placed on too tight. I saw one young male who had his wrist broken as well as a young lady who had the binders digging into her bracelets causing her wrists to bleed. Another young man I know only by the name of Manny, had his hands turn blue. For � hour he waited on board the bus (with and officer fully aware of his condition), before proper medical treatment was given.
At approximately 8:30 PM our bus arrived at the Allegheny County Police Station. From there, we were filed off into a see of cops who were standing around joking at what a great job they had done. Here is where the verbal abuse came into play. I was referred to as being Stupid, an Idiot, Ignorant, a �Hippie�, ect. Things reached a low point when I entered the room which held 4 young police officers in their 20s. The men were joking around, calling each other names and making things take longer than they should by horsing around. Likewise, whenever one of our political prisoners would make a hesitation in following their lack of directions they would attack us. I personally had to endure the verbal of one officer who felt the need to scream �C�mon junior, what the fuck are you waiting for!� in my face at point blank range. Might I add that I had still been completely peaceful up to this point, having willingly accepted arrest with resistance upon facing the entrapment of the riot police and in the face of their outbursts of physical violence. However, understanding the situation, it is of little wonder these officers were in such great spirits. They were, after all, being compensated �very heavily� for their service as one Cop pointed out.
Over the next 3 hours we were detained in the various holding cells throughout the building, approximately 30 individuals to a room. During this time we were routinely moved from room to room for no apparent reason other than the sheer waste of time. We had not been read our rights or what we were being charged with. At the same time, throughout the night, many officers felt the need to poke and prod with questions about when the next big protest was going to be.
After approximately 1 AM, we had filled out forms about receiving our bail bonds and many expected to leave by 3 to 5 AM. How wrong we were. It soon appeared that everyone but night watch had left for the evening. We would have to wait until the morning to actually leave.
Our spirits remained strong up until 4 AM when fatigue started setting in. The rooms were, as to be expected, disgusting. They were also very cold, with air vents on full blast all night. At 6 AM we got out first food since being detained nearly 11 hours early. This consisted of a tiny bowl of cereal and elementary school sized box of milk. All in all, about 300 calories for a group of starving people, still not formally charged with any crime.
At 9 AM we met with the Warden, who said that because the building was owned by the City and the Mayor�s power exceeded his; we would be facing difficulty getting out of jail in any timely fashion. The Warden made efforts to show goodwill towards us and guaranteed we would be out by �no later than 3 PM�, but did not show up at any other point during the day.
At 10 AM we met with our Public Defender. The Defender had a plan to get a group arraignment consisting of 30 people per group (or 4 groups), to get us out of there as quickly as possible. We later found out that that request was soon shot down (again, at the Mayor�s request) and that we would be going through the Arraignment/Booking process one at time. This process was expected to carry on throughout the night.
The day was slow and dreary with more room hopping, pitiful meals, and a general feeling of frustration. We had no idea why we were there, how many of us there were, or what was going on in the world. The guards repeatedly refused to answer our questions, save for the occasionally kind soul.
Finally around 4:30 PM, they announced that they would be speeding up the Booking Process for people with a Pennsylvania License. Another hour spent waiting around for what seemed like absolutely nothing and finally around 5:30 PM we were dealt with. Shortly after, we met briefly with the judge who delivered our Court Summons and moments later my cell of what was now 15 was released into the world.
After 23 hours of receiving the run-around, it took the Judge to actually tell me what I was being charged with. My rights were never read despite subtle questioning by guards on duty in relation to future protests that may be held. As I left the building on a side entrance away from the protestors outside (thanks for showing support guys, it is needed for those that are still in there Friday Night!!!), I gained a new found respect the freedoms I am able to enjoy as a law-abiding citizen. Unfortunately, I did not gain a new found respect for the Police Officers of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania or the manner in which they handled our cases. Our extended imprisonment was both rude, irresponsible, and disrespectful for a group which was withheld A) without evidence, B) without prior convictions (for the most part), and C) without an actual arrestible offense officially stated. If the Police truly respected us, we would have been in and out of there within 4-8 hours (12 max). Judging from prior arrest reports I�ve read from other protests, this time frame seems absurdly high and I can�t help but wonder to what effect politics played in that decision. Today�s protest was unfortunately focused on our situation rather than the real problems looming in Iraq.
Keep those stories coming guys�Get heard!!!
A couple brief comments
by John
Saturday, Mar. 22, 2003 at 3:10 PM
First of all my love, sympathy and support goes out to all arrested. . .
Pittsburgh police do not read Miranda rights, nor are they currently required to. At the arraignment, you were informed of your rights, either verbally or in written form, and this is considered sufficient by Pittsburgh authorities. Getting Pittsburgh police to read Miranda rights like most other cities do, and like they do on TV would probably require going to the Supreme Court, which takes a lot of time, luck, and money. . .
Pittsburgh police do not have to tell you what you are being arrested for when they arrest you. They are allowed to hold people without prior convictions and without presenting evidence, the Supreme Court has ruled that officers have discretion to arrest and hold people suspected of ANY crime (the case in question was about a women stopped and jailed for not wearing a seat belt). As a matter of fact, the police can hold anyone for up to 24 hours without charging them with any crime, and you have no legal recourse at all (as I learned when I was held by the police of the city of Indiana because I vaguely matched a description of a wanted criminal) Yeah this all sucks, but let's not give up the fight! And I'm not advocating giving up, let's just fight smart and pick the fights that will be the most effective.
Miranda
by law4activists
Saturday, Mar. 22, 2003 at 4:04 PM
Yes, I heard several comments this weekend about Miranda. To keep a long story short, the police do not have to read Miranda rights; or if they do, I don't think there is any remedy for a violation without a statement used against you in court. However, if they attempt to elicit statements or a confession, then that possibly damning evidence could be suppressed if you could prove you were not read your rights.
Also, another thing I heard this weekend was that the police could not effect a legal arrest if someone was on the sidewalk. I believe that if an officer gives an order to move and it is ignored, under most circumstances, that would constitute failure to obey, even if the officer was making a mistake of fact in that access to a walkway was not impeded.
If you are on the sidewalk, but with a large group, then the police can claim you are blocking pedestrian traffic. I know. It's bullshit.
Concerning the potential "riot" charge...technically, the legal elements of "riot" do not have to include violence.
were you in a cell with me?
by Brian
Saturday, Mar. 22, 2003 at 6:52 PM
artriotmedia@aol.com
Ben, were you in a cell with me by chance at all? I can't remember if you were or not. I was in H15 the bulk of the time. Get in touch with me if you were. I want to stay in touch with those who were in the cell with me.
possibly
by Ben
Saturday, Mar. 22, 2003 at 8:59 PM
I was in H-16 most of the night though I moved around quite a bit. I was wearing a red jacket, had longer hair and a beard.
I'll send you an email in a bit.
My experience with the arrests
by Wayne Curry
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 12:38 AM
I too was arrested and I simply want to back up the statements the author made. The police brutality and the way the situation was handled was ridiculous. This whole situation brought me to a COMPLETE lack of faith in our system.
My experience with the arrests
by Wayne Curry
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 12:39 AM
I too was arrested and I simply want to back up the statements the author made. The police brutality and the way the situation was handled was ridiculous. This whole situation brought me to a COMPLETE lack of faith in our system.
Cowards
by Real American
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 8:44 AM
It is because of our Men fighting for freedoms for all people around the world that you even had the "right" to protest...try that in Iraq.
What a bunch of cowards YOU are.
*shakes head*
by Nick
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 8:55 AM
pnk6@pitt.edu
I guess Catch-22 now says "This country is so great that you have the freedom to protest against its actions, but you should never excersize that freedom "
COLIN
by COLIN
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 9:25 AM
commie@Geek.com
This is just Colin (kid with the They Might Be Giants hoodie). I just want to say I was amazed and inspired by many of the people I was held up with until 7:00 AM, being in the last group that was released. You people rock. Honestly. You're massively intelligent, progressive in your thought, brave, and overall model citizens.
Too bad we had to spend time at the mercy of white Neo-Nazi's sporting police badges, screaming racial slurs, vulgar comments, and physical violence for hours. I've been awake for three days, so I'm not too sure how many hours I was spent in there.
I wasn't part of the peace protest, and ended up joining sometime during night due to the ruckus I noticed happening down the street in an attempt of journalism. Of course I was soon subjected to police brutality, and arrested - my digital camera being taken and thrown into a bag with other people's stuff, WITHOUT A RECEIPT AN OR RECORDING.
But the hours spent in this jail really gave me an insight into the world. You peace activists are special stuff. Real citizens, and real humans - more so then the rest of that apathetic world I have to exist in day to day. It's mesmerizing.
In these days, I have learned to despise the police system. The legal system. This war and those supporting it. I have learned that my country is sick, and that they'll eat up anything. I haven't bothered to check the media but from what I've checked out on ignorant responses on Indy Media - these people will believe ANYTHING.
Regardless, drop me a line. You people are amazing. I never laughed so hard in my life, or had such intelligent discussions.
real american
by anne
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 9:35 PM
i'd just like to say that I respect and admire all those who can raise their voices in opposition to the majority. That's difficult to do in any situation, but especially in a scenario where people are passionate and unwilling to listen.
I feel sorry for the people who cannot see the other side, the ones who only see this war as good and right and the way to go. I understand WHY we're going to war, but I don't think it should happen. I know that Sadam Hussein is probably a bad person, but that doesn't mean we should attack the citizens of Iraq. The news today cites that roughly 80 civillians have been killed, but they're still not sure whether or not our target is dead.
I think being a real american means voicing your educated opinion no matter what. You must learn all you can and make sure people know how you feel because otherwise they will assume you approve. We need to look at people like Ghandi and Dr King for inspiration, had they not raised their voices of dissent the world would be an entirely different place. How many times were they beaten? arrested? verbally abused? but they won. and we will too.
Justice: Police Style
by Hami
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 10:26 PM
I would like to start off by saying thank you to all the people in my cell block(s) (especially H14); without you guys I wouldn't have been able to get through it all. My account of the events go as such: I was arrested at william penn place on the sidewalk. I did not hear a call for us to disperse and in fact was about to walk to my car along with my friend when I saw what looked to be 60 officers running at us with batons and pepper spray. When at the jail we were treated like animals, racially harassed, and completely lied to. I think that goes for just about every person in the holding cells. So that's my short account of sad going ons.
Justice: Police Style
by Hami
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 10:38 PM
I would like to start off by saying thank you to all the people in my cell block(s) (especially H14); without you guys I wouldn't have been able to get through it all. My account of the events go as such: I was arrested at william penn place on the sidewalk. I did not hear a call for us to disperse and in fact was about to walk to my car along with my friend when I saw what looked to be 60 officers running at us with batons and pepper spray. When at the jail we were treated like animals, racially harassed, and completely lied to. I think that goes for just about every person in the holding cells. So that's my short account of sad going ons.
cowards?
by Gwendolyn R. Schmidt
Sunday, Mar. 23, 2003 at 11:42 PM
gwen _at_ slackers.net
Anyone lobbing insults at people who have suffered arrest for what they believe in have no right to the term "cowards" when they can't even include their name.
My apologies to everyone I've met over the past protests that I could not be there with my camera to document the proceedings this round. I was out of town over the weekend, and fighting a rather nasty homework deadline before I left. I hope this doesn't deter people from continuing the protests; I will continue to participate, camera in hand.
Open your eyes.
by Leslie
Monday, Mar. 24, 2003 at 8:04 PM
I understand all of your stance against the war, and the effort you've taken to be sure that the authorities know how you feel as well. However, you must realize that we are already at war, and protesting now isn't going to change a thing. You know as well as I do that they are not going to pull out a moment before they're done.
As for civilians being killed, the U.S. has very specific targets and very advanced weaponry that hits those targets directly. The main reason that civilians are being affected is because the Iraqi military is using them as a protective shield into cities such as Baghdad-as if they haven't done enough damage to their people already.
Finally, those troops in and around Iraq need support. I'm sure they don't want to be there any longer than necessary, but in order to get their JOB done quickly and with as few casualties as possible, they need SUPPORT from American citizens. When they hear about war protests and how they are not being supported, it is very demoralizing for the troops. They can only work to their full potential when morale is high.
So, although you don't want the war any more than I do, think about how you would feel if you were serving your country overseas, with the many dangers they face. Show your support for the soldiers (I'm sure you know someone or know of someone in the military) and hope for their safe return. Spend your time doing something positive and lets hope the troops return as quickly and safely as possible!
support for soldiers
by Traci
Tuesday, Mar. 25, 2003 at 2:46 AM
I think that you will find that those of us who are against the war are not against our soldiers and do support them. We realize that they are doing their job and are doing a great thing by puting themselves at risk for our country. If you pay attention to the signs people carry as they protest, to the slogans we shout, we support our troops we want them safe at home. At the march on the 20th there were many signs that said support our troops bring them home, it was even shouted at one point. We do care, we don't want their lives put at stake for unjustifiable reasons. We support our troops, just not the government that controls them.
Miranda Rights
by Just Someone...
Tuesday, Mar. 25, 2003 at 7:21 AM
Well, if anyone actually KNEW anything about the Miranda Rule they woudl know that no one is required to read you it upon arrest unless they are taking you in for questioning...
To: Just someone
by law4activists
Tuesday, Mar. 25, 2003 at 9:39 AM
And if YOU read the other posts, you would realize that has been discussed already. But I guess if you want to rant at people, it is easier to make a comment than to actually read what others have written.
tactics
by Dave
Tuesday, Mar. 25, 2003 at 6:35 PM
This is for Colin and anyone else who's had a camera or recorder stripped by the police, along with the tape.
Is anyone aware of systems to defeat this? Like (idea:) a wireless link between the mike and the tape, so that there is a team of 2 people (one person carries each), and if one gets the mike/camera stripped then the other can leave the scene or otherwise preserve the tape?
I'm a little of a techie & trying to contribute what I can... if this doesn't exist then maybe it needs to?
The loss of a camera/MD sucks but if you've got the tape with the cop's voice who took it from you, you might have a better chance of getting it back, too...
Boo hoo
by Freedom Lover
Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2003 at 2:39 AM
Crying about a day in jail and the size of your cereal and milk. You'd crap your pants in a totalitarian state that has true political prisoners. You are immature and melodramatic in your description of yourselves as "political prisoners." Grow up kiddies! If you really are pro-totalitarianism, then shout it loudly and don't cry when you have to pay the consequences. The police let you roam for hours and that wasn't good enough. Too bad. So sad. Better get Dad to pay your fines. : )
Boo hoo
by Freedom Lover
Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2003 at 2:39 AM
Crying about a day in jail and the size of your cereal and milk. You'd crap your pants in a totalitarian state that has true political prisoners. You are immature and melodramatic in your description of yourselves as "political prisoners." Grow up kiddies! If you really are pro-totalitarianism, then shout it loudly and don't cry when you have to pay the consequences. The police let you roam for hours and that wasn't good enough. Too bad. So sad. Better get Dad to pay your fines. : )
The real Cowards
by Sara
Thursday, Mar. 27, 2003 at 12:15 PM
The real cowards are people like freedom lover who cling to false identities, attacking people for things they know nothing about.
I am one of the pittsburgh 122. I am a women who has ulcerative colitis, and spent my 30 hours of incarceration with bloody diarrhea. I went from an alert individual, to a pale face girl who found it tiring to stand up. I will complain. I will call the police of pittsburgh neglectful. Our half cup of cornflakes with a touch of lowfat milk hardly had enough calories or nutrients to keep any adult healthy, less so me.
How dare you anonymous editorialists attack people willing to fight for what we believe in. If you are so pro-war, why aren't you in the military?
You are an embarrasment to the title "freedom lover," when you attack people who embrace and use their freedoms. I have the right to assembly. I live in what is supposed to be a democracy. In a Democracy opinion counts. I want my opinion known. I want it to count. Unlike you, I am celebrating democracy. The only way to fight totalitarianism is to celebrate democracy.
Real Americans put their life on the line. Are you a real American?
--sara, H6 and H7
two sides to everything
by DC
Thursday, Mar. 27, 2003 at 12:50 PM
I believe people have a right to voice their opinions, but when you put yourself in the position to protest something, you have to be prepared for whatever the outcome may be. That is usually why it is called a PROTEST...because you are opposing something that others support.
I am not happy about the war, but I was held up in the traffic of last weeks protest and I was really, really pissed.
I work in the city of Pgh. and I am FORCED to commute by bus or car because it is impossible to ride my bike or walk from where I live. I worked ALL DAY-took the bus home to pick up my sister's (who is in the hospital) cat (who was sick and vomiting) to the vet. However, it just so happened that people wanted to exercise their right to assemble in the road that day, so I was forced to sit in traffic after a 10 hour workday with a sick cat puking and howling in my car. Not to mention the vet was closed by the time I got there.
So, when I read everyone's complaints about the suffering they had to go through in jail, I really don't feel too bad. There were a lot of other people who were unwillingly put in shitty situtations because others felt the need to exercise their rights. It's kind of tit for tat. For the number of people who were arrested as an outcome of the protest, I am sure there are just as many people who weren't involved in the protest who suffered as an outcome of it.
Granted, these are MINOR inconveniences when compared to people being blown up in Iraq. I just don't understand why a protest that negatively affects fellow citizens with equal rights is fair.
Please enlighten me.
it's all such a shame
by laura maloney
Thursday, Mar. 27, 2003 at 5:10 PM
laurajanemaloney@hotmail.com
in response to the person that was held up in traffic etc... honestly, i am sorry that your situation was troubling for you. it is a shame your sister is in the hospital and i am sorry to hear that. and i often think of people in their cars, becuase yes, they are just trying to live their lives....
but think of it this way...(and please, dont think that i am giving you a load of attitude, becuase i dont want it to come acorss that way)
.... arent you glad you dont live in iraq or many MANY other places in the world that we are bombing the hell out of... if you are not anti-war.... what about all those people "we" are killing who are just living their lives too?
what about them?
jail, for many of us was a first time experience with the police state and the corruption in this country... i know that our protest could lead to jail and uncomfortable time... and yes our ":suffering" is nothing like theirs and neither is sitting in your car on your way home from work.
maybe we all have a little more to be greateful for.
pray for peace and pray that our probelms will some day feel like blessings...
It is a shame
by DC
Thursday, Mar. 27, 2003 at 6:02 PM
I agree with you in some respects and I am very grateful for my life, that I have a job, that at least the immediate city I live in has never suffered from a major terrorist attack. I am well aware that I have a lot of freedoms that many people will never experience in their lifetimes.
What frustrates me is the fact that in some ways I see these "reactionary" protests that are arranged to make the government officials take notice as following the same kind of rationale/pattern as this war.
In order to get rid of Saddam, the govt. feels they must take charge, bomb Baghdad and -oops if some civilians get killed in the process, they are sorry, but it is for the greater good of the cause-their cause- which many people don't necessarily agree with.
The protesting that blocks the streets is aimed at the city and govt. officials, but if hundreds of 'innocent' commuters happen to get snarled up in the process-then oops, everyone is sorry, but not really, because it is for the greater good of the cause-which is not necessarily everyone else's cause.
So in every case there are always bystanders who get trampled by the folks who want to prove a point. I am NOT trying in the least to say that I could even compare me sitting on my ass in a car to being a bombed in a marketplace in Iraq. Nonetheless, it is a group of people electing to redistribute rights and show power over others in a society where everyone is supposed to be considered equals.
NOT PRISON, JAIL
by Prodigal Yunzer
Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 1:34 PM
diomnidave@aol.com
the link from the home page says you were in PRISON for a day. You were in jail, not prison. My impressions of your story are that you should read some Solzhenitsyn before you feel too sorry for yourself. Another impression is that a lot of folks who protest war are advocates of returning the tax money spent on defense to local governments. Now that you have enjoyed the hospitality of Pittsburgh and the "justice" of the "just us" system, perhaps you will move further towards anarchistic solutions rather than the bullcrap about funding education and local programs. The people who put you in jail and kept you there will use the money as they please and make certain that the "problems" never get solved, so they can always ask for more money. The jail won't get more comfortable, and the courts will not become more equitable. I'll bet people who showed up with their own lawyers did not sit all night.