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by Red Predator 1
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 7:22 AM
Communist Infiltration of IndyMedia
It seems as though Indymedia's site has been hijacked by communists who, hiding behind the First Amendment, are leading astray America's youth. Reponsible Americans at Indymedia [there must be at least one] should do everything they can to get back on track.
"Red" is another word for communist
by RP1
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 7:50 AM
redpredator1@yahoo.com
With a name like red predator, you would be an authority on communism.
McCarthyism
by Get Real
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 8:25 AM
McCarthyism, hiding behind patriotism is a much greater risk to our society.
There is no such thing as "hiding behind the first amendment". Free speech is free speech! It means anybody can express any political opinion.
If anybody is hijacking this message board, it's the right-wingers who are posting false messages. This silly business about communism is a great example.
Get real.
Stop thinking!
by Jan
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 9:12 AM
STOP THINKING AND ASKING QUESTIONS!!! YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS!!!!
(A MESSAGE FROM THE MINISTRY OF HOMELAND SECURITY)
another predator..
by Jan
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 9:36 AM
"The best known of the U.S. military drones, the Predator, was deployed this week to spot retreating Republican Guard units so they could be attacked before melting into the streets of Baghdad."
(Taken from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette article from April 4)
http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20030404unmannedscip2.asp
interesting quote
by redunderdabed?
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:17 AM
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
the Promise of the Storm Trooper
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:29 AM
If you do not think that Germany faced a Communist threat, then you are ignoring history. Communism is not a bogeyman invented by fascists. Nazis were a REACTION to the communist headway that was being made.
The last line of Horst Wessel Song is "enslavement ends, when soon we set things right" then a double foot stomp. The Reds were slaughtering the kulaks and starving Ukrainians for no reason other than the "struggle". The spread of Stalinism was a threat to decent people, and indecent godless anti Semitic thugs took advantage of their fears.
thanks for clarifying that point
by redunderdabed
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:37 AM
Oh. So Hitler was right then?
I mean what else is a guy to do in the circumstances? Everyone knows France and Holland were just teeming with commies too, just itchin' to invade the Vaterland.
I rest my case.
Try a Little Logic
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:46 AM
If that does not interfere with your anarchism. No one mentioned Hitler until you did. Nazis were a reaction to Communism, which in fact in ninety years managed to slaughter more non combatants in the name of its baloney "revolution" than all religions have in their names since the beginning of time.
Logic?
by Prodigal Yinzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:51 AM
Marxism is simply the atheistic form of Judaism, the same way Buddhism is the atheistic form of Hinduism.
-Isms are all equally repugnant.
Puerile Sloganeering
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 11:06 AM
Pamphlet philosophy is confusing to seekers of the truth. It might get you some action at the sexual assault discussion, but it is not very contemplative and speaks poorly of your intellectual depth.
Marxism is a stultifyingly hierarchical transcendentalist fairy tale. Just because it was authored by German Jews doesn't make it Judaism. People who do not believe in God are not Jews. Ask a rabbi. You insult Judaism and are a racist when you call people who have Jewish parents Jews without any knowledge of their spiritual beliefs. Thats exactly what the Nazis did, by the way.
ISMs are repugnant?
by crazy old man
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 11:46 AM
I agree that -isms are repugnant; they're almost as bad as -anity.
Communism?
by Jan
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 11:59 AM
No one here is a communist. That's just a term that brainwashed people use to desribe people who disagree with them. It's a way to create imaginary enemies.
communism
by commentorite
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 12:01 PM
i think its funny how anything left of what the democrats stand for is denounced as "communist".
Re: Isms are repugnant?
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 2:54 PM
what about J-ism? Or Sean Hann-ity?
you gotta be kidding
by JonUs
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 4:19 PM
"No one here is a communist. That's just a term that brainwashed people use to desribe people who disagree with them. It's a way to create imaginary enemies. "
Yes people on here are communists. Even N I beleive is one. Although he beleives that Council communision is the answer that is still communism.
It is not a term that brainwashed people "use to desribe people who disagree with them." . That is crazy. That is like saying every system is the same. Do you even know what communism is?
A way to create enemies? So you don't think that China is a communist state?( oh wait i forgot you dont believe communism exists)
JonUs
you gotta be kidding
by RP1
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 4:46 PM
Jonus: I was addressing the miscreant who is impersonating me. RP1
Idiots
by Phoenix
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 4:48 PM
Please inform of what preciscely would occur if there were some "Commies" on indy media? Also I would like to know what exactly makes communism an evil thing, you see in actuality communism is probaly the best style of goverment, but unfortunately the desire to conquer and be supreme, a natural human flaw, is the reason it can never work. By condemning communism you are merely pointing out one more Homo Sapien flaw.
As for communism being the atheist form of Judaism, I really can't say, but for that being a racist comment I would have to say it is not: associating atheism with judaic principle does not generalize to judaism is atheist, at least according to grammatical logic. By the way whoever said that the Nazi's murdered more people then all of the holy wars since the begining of time, I would like to say you are wrong. If you were to add up the ammount of people killed in the crusades and add that to the ammount of Native Americans killed by colonists(around 98% of the natives), aswell as the forcing of the Muslims form Spain, and the people killed in modern day Israel, and the people killed in Africa, not to mention the ammount of people killed before history became recorded, due to tribal religon, you would surely find that that number far exceeds the Holocaust. By the way, just so you undersatnd, the Native American's were thought to be a lesser race mainly due to the fact that they did not follow Christian practices, and the fact that they were thought to be a lesser race is one of the main reasons they were treated as they were, so in effect that was a holy massacre.
Red is another word...
by RP1
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 4:50 PM
another fake.
Still not getting it
by Phoenix
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 10:46 PM
Communism did not kill those people, idiots who misunderstood communism did, these people were dictators and murders, I agree. Although this is not communisms goal(By the way I am not a communist).
Secondly, all of those may have out done the crusades, but what about the murders of 98% of the native population from the tip of South America to the top of North America in the name of Christianity and Empire. By your logic this means that the French, English, and Spainish must all be bad. Not to mention the U.S. removal of Native Americans, thus making all us Americans evil to. You see that dosen't really make sense, none of these are wicked races any more so then any other race. The same with communism, communism is not bad, in actuality if we could properly implement it it would probaly be the best form of goverment, it is just that every person to so far try it has failed to do the right thing.
Lastly, you still have to inform me of what the grievous thing would occur if communists were on indy media. Please if you want to say that communism is inhertently evil at least tell me the threat it poses,
Peace
Communists in here? Surely you jest sir.
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 04, 2003 at 11:20 PM
Communism is evil because it teaches that man can somehow be improved. Man has not changed since we first walked upright, and everyone must struggle to subvert their selfishness and savagery. Reds used Mendeleev's false genetic theories to prove that they could make wheat grow on barren tundra, and the result was a famine. They did it because the science conformed to their worldview. Those people understood communism all too well, in that they were going to force grain biology to improve or else people would starve to death. You need to read some Solzehenitsyn, my friend.
We only sent conquistadores over here after the indians cooked and ate the first three boatloads of priests. Plus, Christianity didn't kill those Indians, "idiots who misunderstood" blah blah you get it.
Communists are dangerous because they are stupid and when they get power they insist that you become stupid or die. Socialists are merely silly and usually do not demand that you act silly too, except you cannot mock them in a public forum when they take over.
you gotta be kidding
by --
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 7:23 AM
to the workers at indymedia: you say there are no communists at indymedia. I say that if you are providing a space for these traitors to communicate, if you sympathize with the communist backed "peace" movement, and you walk, talk, and waddle like a communist dupe, then, YOU ARE COMMUNISTS.
commies in here? surely u jest
by -
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 7:41 AM
to prodigal yunzer: these children won't listen. they are hopelessly steeped in their handlers lies. trying to show them the facts doesn't work either as they are clueless, senseless, and hapless.
communists
by evan n
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 7:52 AM
evbo444@aol.com
I have have realized the error of being a communist. please forgive my idiocy. i was raised by traitors. i can't help being mentally ill, reality-challenged, morally-bankrupt, and a moron. i'm so, so, sorry i have caused the contempt of real Americans to lash out at me. please, please forgive me. evan n
idiots
by --
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 8:25 AM
to phoenix: what would occur if communists ran indymedia is exactly what is occuring now. clueless sopomores.
communists
by --
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 3:01 PM
communism aka socialism aka liberalism = democRATS
Damn socialists
by -
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 3:10 PM
I too am sick of socialist programs such as airline bailouts and corporate welfare.
Huh?
by Phoenix
Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 6:38 PM
Mr.Yunzer,
Back to the Native Americans(How this peratains to Communism I don't know), when you refer to we exactly what imperial European power are you refering to? What tribe precisely killed these three boat loads, and why not just kill them? Why trade blankets that were infected with polio? Why kill 98% of the population, why force them to study Christianity? If of course it was not about Christianity. Your logic implies that because an Ameircan commited the Oklahoma
City Bobmbings that we should therefore kill 98% of Americans. By the way Communist goverments and failures in genetics pertaining growing wheat are not a substanitial claim that it is inherntly evil. I don't think it is, but even if it is the whole comment on wheat is not supporting it. Just what do you mean Communists are stupid? What kind of stupid? I mean I am sure you are not saying that there was never a Communist scientist(Russia seems to understand Nuclear Physics, and Modern Mathematics), of course there are intelligent philosophers that were Communist to, but I am sure you were not refering to them. One of the big evils of Communism surely must have been the reaction to it, good ol' America's let's kill 2,000,000 Vietnamese, but that wasn't evil. Last I checked that was evil. Although you don't have a problem with democracies do you, no problem with any of America's deeds in the past, nor the English colonization of India, both Democracies. Odd, you link growing wheat to communist evil, but you support Democracies because the evils they commit are merely done by the leaders, or you don't feel they are evil. Seems paradoxial. Lastly, I do not think that we should be Communists, I just don't think that it is evil: although the leaders may be corrupt, but that's true of anything human. Oh one other thing, Mr.clueless sopomores.
If Indymedia is so abhorrent to you, and filled with so many stupid things, why exactly do you even bother using it? Please provide for me some posts that are clueless and are clearly made by Communists. Also, what the hell is a sopomore? I can't find it in the dictionaries I have checked. Maybe I am just stupid???
Sorry yet another thing,
Mr.Yunzer you said that man has not improved, do you mean to say that we still go around in tribes in kill one another, or do you mean that we still find slavery acceptable, or that we have not made any scientific advances, or that we still burn one another at the stake, or do you mean that we still are not allowing peoples of different ethnicicities attend schools, or perhaps your talking about how we have never changed the world from monarchy to democracy. Although I am not saying that man does not still destroy one another and the Planet, but we have made some improvements and perhaps some failures last time I checked. That's all,
Peace
Communism isn't loathesome
by Serious
Saturday, Dec. 11, 2004 at 8:43 AM
Calling Communism loathesome because of Stalin is like calling Christianity loathesome because of Charles Manson. Everything on earth can be construed as loathesome if you're determined to look at it from that angle. You'd think Christians were decent people but you wouldn't want one living next door to you during the Crusades if you weren't a Christian yourself.
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