Why I Am Not Protesting This War
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 9:47 AM
Why I Didn't March This Time Their Tongues Were Cut Out for Slandering Hussein March 28th, 2003 3:30 PM Often, the executions have been carried out by the Fedayeen Saddam, a paramilitary group headed by Mr. Hussein's oldest son, 38-year-old Uday. These men, masked and clad in black, make the women kneel in busy city squares, along crowded sidewalks, or in neighborhood plots, then behead them with swords. The families of some victims have claimed they were innocent of any crime save that of criticizing Mr. Hussein. �John F. Burns, "How Many People Has Hussein Killed?" The New York Times, January 26, 2003
I participated in many demonstrations against the Vietnam War, including some civil disobedience�though I was careful not to catch the eyes of the cops, sometimes a way of not getting arrested. But I could not participate in the demonstrations against the war on Iraq. As I told The New York Sun in its March 14-16 roundup of New Yorkers for and against the war:
"There was the disclosure . . . when the prisons were briefly opened of the gouging of eyes of prisoners and the raping of women in front of their husbands, from whom the torturers wanted to extract information. . . . So if people want to talk about containing [Saddam Hussein] and don't want to go in forcefully and remove him, how do they propose doing something about the horrors he is inflicting on his people who live in such fear of him?"
I did not cite "weapons of mass destruction." Nor do I believe Saddam Hussein is a direct threat to this country, any more than the creators of the mass graves in the Balkans were, or the Taliban. And as has been evident for a long time, I am no admirer of George W. Bush.
The United Nations? Did the inspectors go into the prisons and the torture chambers? Would they have, if given more time? Did they interview the Mukhabarat, Saddam's dreaded secret police?
An Iraqi in Detroit wanted to send a message to the anti-war protesters: "If you want to protest that it's not OK to send your kids to fight, that's OK. But please don't claim to speak for the Iraqis."
In The Guardian, a British paper that can hardly be characterized as conservative, there was a dispatch from Safwan, Iraq, liberated in the first days of the war: "Ajami Saadoun Khilis, whose son and brother were executed under the Saddam regime, sobbed like a child on the shoulder of The Guardian's Egyptian translator. He mopped the tears but they kept coming. 'You just arrived,' he said. 'You're late. What took you so long?' "
The United Nations? In 1994, Kofi Annan, then head of the UN's peacekeeping operations, blocked any use of UN troops in Rwanda even though he was told by his representative there that the genocide could be stopped before it started.
Bill Clinton refused to act as well, instructing the State Department not to use the word genocide because then the United States would be expected to do something. And President Clinton instructed Madeleine Albright, then our representative to the UN, to block any possible attempts to intervene despite Kofi Annan. Some 800,000 lives could have been saved.
The United Nations? Where Libya, Syria, and Sudan are on the Human Rights Commission? The UN is crucial for feeding people and trying to deal with such plagues as AIDS; but if you had been in a Hussein torture chamber, would you, even in a state of delirium, hope for rescue from the UN Security Council?
From Amnesty International, for whom human rights are not just a slogan, on Iraq: "Common methods of physical torture included electric shocks or cigarette burns to various parts of the body, pulling out fingernails, rape. . . . Two men, Zaher al-Zuhairi and Fares Kadhem Akia, reportedly had their tongues cut out for slandering the president by members of Feda'iyye Saddam, a militia created in 1994. The amputations took place in a public square in Diwaniya City, south of Baghdad."
As John Burns of The New York Times wrote in January: "History may judge that the stronger case [for an American-led invasion] . . . was the one that needed no [forbidden arms] inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors."
When it appeared that Tony Blair's political career was near extinction, he gave a speech in the House of the Commons, as quoted in the March 18 issue of The Guardian:
"We must face the consequences of the actions we advocate. For me, that means all the dangers of war. But for others, opposed to this course, it means�let us be clear�that the Iraqi people, whose only true hope of liberation lies in the removal of Saddam, for them, the darkness will close back over them again; and he will be free to take his revenge upon those he must know wish him gone.
"And if this house now demands that at this moment, faced with this threat from this regime, that British troops are pulled back, that we turn away at the point of reckoning, and that is what it means�what then?
"What will Saddam feel? Strengthened beyond measure. What will the other states who tyrannise their people, the terrorists who threaten our existence, what will they take from that?. . . Who will celebrate and who will weep?"
The letters section of The New York Times is sometimes more penetrating than the editorials. A March 23 letter from Lawrence Borok: "As someone who was very active in the [anti-Vietnam War] protests, I think that the antiwar activists are totally wrong on this one. Granted, President Bush's insensitive policies in many areas dear to liberals (I am one) naturally make me suspicious of his motives. But even if he's doing it for all the wrong reasons, have they all forgotten about the Iraqi people?"
And, in the March 23 New York Times Magazine, Michael Ignatieff, a longtime human rights investigator, wrote of "14,000 'writers, academics, and other intellectuals'�many of them my friends�[who] published a petition against the war . . . condemning the Iraqi regime for its human rights violations and supporting 'efforts by the Iraqi opposition to create a democratic, multi-ethnic, and multireligious Iraq.' " But they say, he adds, that waging war at this time is "morally unacceptable."
"I wonder," Ignatieff wrote�as I also wonder�"what their support for the Iraqi opposition amounts to."
www.villagevoice.com/issues/0314/hentoff.php
And Don't FOrget About This
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 9:51 AM
More reason that thsi is not a war to protest:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20030408/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_marines_prison_030408163048
And Don't FOrget About This
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 9:51 AM
More reason that thsi is not a war to protest:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20030408/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_marines_prison_030408163048
if only...
by ~
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 10:41 AM
if only Rwanda had oil, all of those lives could have been saved. D'ya think we'd be there if Iraq grew peppers?
Iraqi Peppers
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 10:59 AM
In fact, Iraq grows some damn fine peppers and spices. I thought that was why we were there.
Seriously, We went into the Balkans with a less well conceived plan, acted unilaterally agaisnt the instructions of our NATO allies and the UN at various times during that conflict, refused to intervene in the genocide that we knew was occurring ... and I have been checking my almananc but there is no reference to the Balkans being an oil exporting nation.
I think the protest of this war is not one of peace or human rights, but one of hatred for President Bush. Do you think that there woudl be protests if Al GOre were President. Event he signs at these rallies are more directed at President Bush personally than at the concept of peace or human rights. And now, this morning, with the liberation of Iraq we see the Iraqi peopel in the streets celebrating and welcoming the Coalition FOrces. We also see them in the strets carrrying signs that say things like "Go Home Human Shields." For only today are the Iraqi people free to do such things.
he's right
by Conservative Guy
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 12:23 PM
S.Odamninsane is right...
that's all i wanted to say... thanks
A way of life
by -
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 12:53 PM
When guys with guns hand flags to Iraqis and tell them to wave them when the cameras go by, they do it. The color and markings of the flag are as irrelevant as the make and model of the weapon pointed at them.
I can't wait to see how the neo-"Conservative" (imperialism is not conservative) "think"-tanks spin the talking points that they issue to all the celebrities, I mean pundits when the intifada starts...
Did Anyone Else See Any Rifles Pointed At Flag Waving Civilians
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 2:04 PM
I have searched many photographic sources, and I have not been able to find any evidence that the Coalition FOrces are making the Iraqi people welcome them by threatening them with harm or death. Now, on the other hand, we know that htis was how Iraq was operated before liberation:
U.tv ( http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=30879&pt=n ) reports that Baath Party members in Basra "have tortured and killed dozens of innocent children leaving their tiny bodies hung from street lighting it has been claimed." And the BBC ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2922981.stm ) reports on how regime loyalists recruited a suicide bomber:
"[The would-be bomber] told [British] Marine commanders how he had been forced at gunpoint by Fedayeen militia to stage a suicide attack against their base. Living alone, and with no family, they had deemed him a perfect choice to carry out their attack."
"The [Fedayeen] special operations team said I had three choices, they kill me, the British kill me, or I kill myself," the man, who wished only to be identified as Abdullah, said.
After dragging him from his home in the city, they drove him in a taxi to within a few hundred yards of the base.
Pushing him out of the car, they kept their guns fixed on the old man as he tottered towards the checkpoint.
Instead he surrendered. I did not want to do the attack because I hate Saddam Hussein and his regime and the British I see as my friends."
Shock and awe?
by -
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 2:41 PM
If you bombed my neighborhood and sent thousands of troops, even I'd wave American flags.
Awe Shucks
by S.Odamninsane
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 2:49 PM
I thought your neighborhood was in the United States? In that case, why do we need to drop a bomb on you to get you to wave an American flag? I woudl think that you would be predisposed to waving an American flag if for no other reason than to celebrate teh freedoms that you have in this country. But Now, back to Iraq --- It seems to me that much of the liberal prognostication of this war is turning out to be incredibly wrong. As I pointed out above, why are we not celebrating that the Iraqi people are free at last? Why are we not protesting against the terrible inhumanity of Saddam's regime? Why is the Peace Movement still hung up on protesting American Policy and not protesting the warmongering Iraqi Regime an its supporters in the Arab Community that want nothing more than conflict with the western world and oppression of their indigenous minorities?
S.Odamninsane
by Conservative Guy
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 7:52 PM
it's obvious that S.Odamninsane does his research and knows what he's talking about... it's wonderful to see some intelligence around here instead of the typical ignorant and baseless comments from all the typical liberals around here...
did any of you peace people happen to see the videos today in iraq? it was absolutely amazing to see the emotion, etc... i saw civilians running up to US marines and kissing and hugging them... awesome.
TO CONSERV. GUY
by 'NAM VET
Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 9:13 PM
I HEAR WHAT YOUR SAYING. I FEEL WHAT YOUR SAYING. KEEP UP THE COMON SENSE.
IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU, GRATEFUL PEOPLE, THAT MAKE THIS COUNTRY STRONG AND PROUD.
GO HOME HUMAN SHIELDS
by Prodigal Yunzer
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 12:22 AM
YOU WANKERS. That was the "arab street" opinion of at least two guys. Sorta like the Pittsburgh street, but with fewer potholes, even with the "carpet bombing" with evil "cluster munitions".
Evidently, Saddam did not foster an anarchist poet community for peace loving consensus building and global activism in Baghdad. Well its your big chance! Don't make the Christian missionaries make you look like weaklings. Fly over at your first opportunity and get active!
Arab street or Downing Street?
by -
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 5:22 AM
Wanker? I doubt that came from old Exploited records.
I think maybe they had a little help. It may as well have said "Saddam is a Jagoff 'n'at.
how come no one pays attention to facts..
by Jan
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 11:34 AM
No one pays attention to the facts, maybe it's all the flouride in their brain... haha!
The U.S. government says that Saddam Hussein is a war criminal, a cruel military despot who has committed genocide against his own people. That's a fairly accurate description of the man. In 1988, Saddam Hussein razed hundreds of villages in northern Iraq, used chemical weapons and machine guns to kill thousands of Kurdish people. Today we know that that same year the U.S. government provided him with $500 million in subsidies to buy American farm products. The next year, after he had successfully completed his genocidal campaign, the U.S. government doubled its subsidy to $1 billion. It also provided him with high quality germ seed for anthrax, and helicopters and dual-use material that could be used to manufacture chemical and biological weapons. So it turns out that while Saddam Hussein was carrying out his worst atrocities, the U.S. and the U.K. governments were his close allies.
by Arundhati Roy
Pay Attention to the Facts
by S.Odamninsane
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 11:41 AM
Why is it that when the circumstnaces change and you actually get teh result that you say should have occured 20 years ago, you are still hung up on "we shouldn't do this now because we didn't do it then"? Maybe the Times They Have A Changed. Also, keep in mind that the US wanted to bring down the Hussein Regime in 1991 but the UN woudl not have any of that. Now we know that hte French, motivated by their very significant economic interests in Iraq, together with the Russians and Chinese, did not want Hussein toppled. And then of course there is the UN itself which has been treating the Oil FOr Food money as if that $40 Billion was its own private account.
Sorry, but you are correct that the US is late in liberating the people of Iraq. But that shoudl not be reason for us not to do it now and do it right (that means, wihtout the French adn hte UN invovled in the post war government).
not the point
by Jan
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 2:45 PM
Do you really think that the US and British went into Iraq to liberate the Iraqi people? Stop living in a dream world. The leaders of the western world don't give two shits about the oppressed Iraqi people, or oppressed people anywhere. (look up Rwanda, East Timor, Burma, Guatemala, etc etc etc) Also look around at the millions of people living in poverty in the US and other countries. Money and power control the world. I am sure that you will agree with me on that point. Therefore, knowing this fact, we must start to question the real reasons the coalition forces went into Iraq. The govt. would not spend 80 billion dollars to fight a war in Iraq just to liberate the Iraqi people. And don't start squaking about terrorism, because the CIA has proven that there are no ties... etc etc . You probably read that by now. And if you say "what about the weapons of mass destruction," let me laugh. Saddam INSANE would have had no reason not to use these weapons if he really had them. We can look at his history to see that he would have no qualms in killing anyone with these weapons. But none were used, gee that's funny.
While I am very glad Saddam is out of power, there will be another ruler who will take his place, probably someone the US will sneak in there (a great possibilty), who will use the lands and resources of Iraq the way the US and Britain want them to be used.
So my point is there has to have been an economic or power reason for going to war. Some say oil and I would agree with this, but I don't think that's the whole reason. I think there are other reasons hidden from the public that no one will ever be able to know. WHY? Because the truth is always hidden from the people. I have read and researched alot about the governments of the world, and let me tell you all of them are crooked, power loving, selfish bastards with connections to secret societies. This may seem outlandish to you but its true. Therefore, although the US/Brit. govts are looking like heroes and
saints, I say that this is a ruse. A theatrical show for us to eat up, like sheep being led to the slaughter.
And let me say one more thing: the army men and women (except for the top hot shots) are not aware of the truth either. They are happy to be there to free the Iraqis and give food and water, etc. But they don't know any better. They are good people who were duped and used.
I am sure you'll have alot of comments to fire back. But don't write back with criticism or brainwashed media rhetoric. Use your intelligence. I know you have some. And thank you for coming to the indymedia site because this is how democracy works.... people talking and debating to others.
only comment
by JonUs
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 3:52 PM
"Do you really think that the US and British went into Iraq to liberate the Iraqi people? Stop living in a dream world. The leaders of the western world don't give two shits about the oppressed Iraqi people, or oppressed people anywhere. (look up Rwanda, East Timor, Burma, Guatemala, etc etc etc) Also look around at the millions of people living in poverty in the US and other countries. "
I am so sick of this position. You assume that because we can't free all the oppressed people of the world that we shouldn't free any..........
JonUs
Right?
by Phoenix
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 5:45 PM
JonUs,
You said something to the equivalent of: if the U.S. can't free all the people of the world then why not some? For starters, not every act of liberation would involve an internationlay opposed war. We could for instance put pressure on all of our allies who commit worse human rights violations then Saddam. We could use the threat of stopping economic trade. Although we do not do these things, instead we turn a blind eye, or even more reprehensible: we help support and install dictators like Saddam, how do you think he came to power anyway? Your delegitimization of such a position as has been expressed is not really sound as it uses a false over glorification of U.S. ideals to justify it. Therefore, your statement about being tired of this position really becomes: I'm tired of misinterperting. So, next time you want to start opposing other peoples views without facts, or logic, and only personal opinion facts please do so to yourself, and do not further the spread of ignorancy, or propagandic thinking.
Peace
Love
Harmony
The Bush Human Rights Farse
by No Name for Fear of Clowns Like Bush
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 6:00 PM
Oh right, the US did this all for liberating those poor poor Iraqis. The US doesn't care about anyone that can't line the pockets of its rich and its corporations. Yeah, so what about all of those children in Iraqi prisons? I am not buying it. Screw the US propogandists. We have more children in prison here with no hope of rehabilitation or a life of freedom in our prison industrial complex. Why don't we roll some tanks out and free them? If Iraqi really had done these things i THINK WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ALOT MORE ABOUT IT FROM THE unhrc, aMNESTY iNTERNATIONAL OR EVEN THE UN inspectors in IRaq for the past 12 years.
Face it people, Bush and his buddies got tired of the French and Russians possibly getting more power and oil than them and they had to find a way to go in and threaten OPEC and the French. This was convenient. Soon enough they will hand the country back to some other despot. If Bush and the Republi-nazis cared one crap about human rights then we wouldn't have people starving in the streets in every American city. Why do we have to spend my tax dollars for bombs to get lucrative oil contracts for Dick Cheney? Answer that.
I protest this war still. It is all about US patriarchy and its domination of the weak. No wonder the Arabs hate us.
80 billion
by jan
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003 at 7:22 PM
80 billion dollars out of the working class's pockets and into the rich.
WORKING CLASS
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 12:15 PM
Pays very little in income taxes. People who think they can read minds and understand someone else's motivations are hard pressed to explain what they themselves did last week and why they did it.
What is it with the leftists who all think they can look into your soul? You mocked Bush when he said it about Putin. I think he was jagging you off when he said that, same as when he waved to Stevie Wonder. Yeah the Moron Cowboy rides again, kicking the asses of all who underestimate him.
Like flies to shit, the people who declared war on us during the Clinton "regime" are flocking to Iraq to die in front of our war machine. We are slaughtering the Syrian, Palestinian, Jordanian, and Yemeni Islamic warriors as they drive their hoopty buses and Toyota Land Cruisers to face the Ma Deuce and chain guns of the USMC. I think its a brilliant idea, like baiting a trap. I hope the Arab press continues to lie about what is happening so more of those jagoffs come to die.
The President decides who to fight and when during wartime. The Congress by a giant majority agreed that after the September 11 2001 attacks we were in a virtual state of war. It is OK for you to disagree with how Bush conducts this war, but impugning his motives based on your contempt for Republicans and business doesn't wash logically. As if that would matter to you. A lot of people criticized FDR for attacking Vichy French in Africa as his first move of WW2, but they had their chance to kick him out of office halfway through it, and they didn't. After all there were no French pilots on December 7th at Pearl Harbor, were there? Oooh I should try to read FDR's mind to figure what evil underhanded motive he had for picking on Africa first. Maybe he wanted to win the war?
reply
by Jan
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 12:36 PM
First of all, I said that ALL governments are corrupt. that INCLUDES republicans, democrats, dictators
democratically-elected" officials, etc etc. I can't read anyone's mind, but I am not gullible enough to believe that any person in power has the right motives. Democracy is becoming fascism right before our eyes. I will believe the truth.
Loser
by Jackel
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 1:00 PM
We don't have people starving in the streets in the US. I've been to NY and Chicago in the last month and didn't see one starving person. As for lining the pockets of the rich, check out what we middle-income (i.e.50-80k) people pay in taxes some time. As for "corporations," I love how you idiots throw that term around like its "evil." Who employs you? Some homeless guy no doubt. If it wasn't for the "evil" corporations, we wouldn't have jobs you idiot. And, those "evil" corporations probably donate more to charities every year than you'll ever make in your life time. Quit bashing everyone who has more than you and spend your time trying to do more to elevate yourself. What a loser.
Corporations
by Jackel
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 1:04 PM
One more comment on the "corporations." What do you propose? Maybe we should have 200,000,000 sole proprietorships out there? Everyone work from home? What happens when a small company gets bigger and now has 100 employees? Is that automatically an "evil" corporation? What if it has 200 employees? What makes them evil? Because they make money? You people just throw around words without thinking any of it through and without any real factual justifaction for your rhetoric. Why don't you give the name-calling a rest and spend your time doing something more productive.
money money money
by Jan
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 2:33 PM
I don't think all corporations are bad, just the ones who ship jobs overseas and pay the foreign workers pennies an hour to make a $100 pair of shoes. Or the corporations that are cutting pension plans, health insurance, and other benefits more and more everyday. Those are the "evil" corporations that I don't like. Employees should be treated fairly and given adequate healthcare and retirement packages. That shouldn't be too much to ask for, especially when the top CEOs make 500% more than the worker. I don't think Chines peasants should be forced to work 12 hours a day in sweatshops making the shirt you will buy for $20 or more, while they can't afford clothing. I believe in business and enterprise, but not at the expense of others. That is wrong.
And these same corporations campaign the politicians they feel will allow them to keep on doing what they are doing. A good person who wants to stop what is really going on in the world never stands a chance in any election. He never will be given money for his campaign because he/she would be a threat to their oppressive ways of making money. Corporations should not be allowed to lobby.
So there you see, I am not against businesses making money. I am against the oppressive ways to do so. Here's some statistics for you, although its from 1989 (sorry its a little outdated, but we know nothing has changed much in the figures...
52% of 1989 tax-exempt interest income ($20.1 billion) went to 800,000 individuals and families earning $100,000 or more. That's 1% of all US tax filers.
48% of 1989 tax-exempt interest income ($18.7 billion) went to 3 million individuals and families earning less than $100,000. That's 2% of all US tax filers.
108.5 million individuals and families received no tax-exempt interest income. They represent 97% of all US tax filers!!!!!
And by the way middle class to me seems to be more like 25-60K. My friends and family consider themselves middle class, yet fall far short of 50k.
Tax Exempt Interest
by Prodigal Yunzer
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:27 PM
People with lots of money invest in tax exempt bonds. Obviously the government does not tax the working class enough to finance their Convention Centers, stadiums, airport malls and hotels. When a government borrows money, they pay a lower interest rate than corporations do- its called the "muni" market. Interest earned on those notes are tax exempt. The rates are determined by auction, just to keep it fair.
People who do not have financial wealth would have no need to invest in tax exempt munis. Therefore, they would not earn any tax exempt interest. Sometimes a government will offer Industrial Development Bonds which are tax exempt bonds issued on behalf of private corporations who build a new facility in their municipality or state. Those bonds have higher rates than regular muni bonds, because they are riskier.
IS JANEANE GAROFOLO STILL PROTESTING?
by Martin Sheen
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 6:25 PM
Or has she finally decided ot pay up and apologize to President Bush since she was WRONG. She was WRONG !!! HA !! All of you people were WRONG !!! I guess there was no reason to screw up traffic and get arrested. YOU WERE WRONG WRONG WRONG !!!
Sorry, I just had to gloat. You can go back about your business now.
Wrong about what?
by Ibrahim, Martin, and Jeanane
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 7:51 PM

OK, the Iraqis did, and continue to, put up more of a fight than I imagined they would. I pictured alot more scenes like the surrendering Iraqis being buried alive in trenches like the first movie, when they retreted from Kuwait.
I was also wrong, so far anyway, in my assumption that Hussein did indeed possess WMD's in bulk. All of the bosses possess these items, only a fool believes otherwise.The media reports all these amazing finds, and gradually debunks them. Of course, they could have found tons of stuff, but that's the basis for the Syria invasion, to get the Baath boys and their germs and gas.
There have also been alot more friendly fire and civilian casualties than I had anticipated.I guess the smart bomb is only so smart. Squandering the majority of the US stockpile and a pathetic wretched place like Iraq, may not have been such a good idea when the devils have dreams of empire. I also didn't think the intifada would have started so soon, I figured the honeymoon would have lasted a little longer. The Iraqis, especially in Baghdad have had 35 years of staged photo-op rallies wher they kiss up to the guys with guns. The longview of the statue razing is priceless.
I'm also unsure about celebrity apologies, I believe their opinions to be irrelevant, but given the nature of fourth branch of government, only the stars get to talk. Corporate media would never permit the anti-war opinions of an intelligent, credible person, only the beautiful people. But the actors with their drama degrees and the pundits with their communications degrees are morally and materially equivalent. The conservative pundits all faithfully recite the same PNAC talking points that they are issued every morning, like actors reading from the same script. Both groups are also insulated from these problems and there is no chance in hell any of them would be called to fight. Every so called conservative pundit is a draft-dodger, in the same vein as the moderate Republican, Clinton.
PEACE ACTIVIST AT WORK
by Creepers Freepers
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:14 PM

Socialist Peace Activist At Work
Poor li'l troll
by S.Odamnisnane
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:34 PM
Are you getting upset? Mommy will let you eat some rawcookie dough. When you start bringing out pictures of your fellow chickenhawks, the Clintons and their humaniterroism are no different than the Bush crusade.
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Oh The Humanity
by S. Odamninsane
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:35 PM
If you are going to impersonate S. Odamninsane you should AT LEAST spell the name correctly. I have already alerted Law Enforcement to the blatant identity theft which you are attempting to perpetrate.
I return to these pages and I see so many of you workign to live the message of S. Odamninsane. BUT OH, I am so distraught that only one week after the great day of healing and reflection we have degenerated to posting dirty pictures and running around wearing each others name tags. THIS does not live the message of S.Odamninsane.
I have been away for too long. I will not allow that to happen again. I can see that the entire balance of the IMC universe has been upset in my abscence. I ask each of you to take time to reflect on the postings of the past couple of days, the events of this world, and some good chocolate (it is like being in love).
Actually, what's to protest?
by Bob Rosh
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 11:15 PM
brosh@aol.com
I'm not protesting this war because it's over. And it was over pretty quickly. I barely had time to grow a beard for my first protest rally and now the damn war is over. Oh well, I am sure there will be another and then we can get together and protest that one.
the fact that the Iraqi's don't want us there?
by .
Monday, Apr. 21, 2003 at 9:53 PM
"No Bush, no Saddam, yes to Islam" – Pittsburgh Post Gazette last week.
How could the Iraqi’s not want us there? ...Sounds like they're ungrateful. Quick, we better boycott Iraqi products. Wait a minute that would mean oil. Nevermind. Proceed with plan fabrication Iraqi freedom.